Big Update (Finally!)
20 Nov 06
I want to start off by apologizing to all of you guys. I have been struggling to get this update out for a while now. Many obstacles came along that prevented progress on the app, but I want to tell you that many of the issues have been resolved. There is a new designer on board named Josh Pyles that did all the new graphics for this update. We wanted a fresh look for Cha-Ching and that he did! I promise you I will post much more on the blog with updates on progress. I will ask more questions to see what you guys want in the later releases, I will post more screenshots and videos. I even have plans for a Podcast to talk about where we see Cha-Ching going and it’s progress.
I want to thank Matthew Arevalo for helping me stay in touch with you guys on the blog. He is making sure you guys get what you want and the communication between the users and developer stays solid. Thanks Matthew!
I am happy to tell you guys that we have released Cha-Ching Beta 0.03. It is an absolute huge update with many many many bug fixes. The last round of features to be added are Accounts, Budgets, .Mac Backup and Revert, Password protection, Attachments for transactions and many small little ones as a surprise ;).
Trust me guys, I hear you loud and clear about CSV import and export, printing and many more. We are working very hard to make sure it is simple and painless for you guys. We want Cha-Ching to be fun and easy yet very powerful. That is a very hard balance to achieve. I read every comment on the blog and every single email that comes into my mailbox.
I want to thank you so much for your support during this beta process. You guys have proven that the Mac software market is wonderful! Don’t forget to fire up Cha-Ching to get the latest update. Here are some screenshots for your viewing pleasure. And yes you are right, the main window fades to white when working with a panel. Enjoy!
Well the update seems to have broken my old data is there a way to fix this?
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At the moment with my data in cha-ching applications support cha-ching will not run. If I move this folder to the desktop cha-ching will run fine. It seem to not like my old data file. Any help?
Hey guys, where’s my data??? I never used apps like yours because of the overhead of storing my transaction… and now it seems I’ve lost one month of recording. No way dudes, give me back my effort, or you’ll never see my bucks!!!
I appreciate your work, and I am very willing to support you, but this fact really pisses me off. Haven’t you tested the new version with old data???
I had no problems when updating to 0.3. All my old data is still there and it runs great. Thanks guys!
I’m at work on a windows computer but I was wondering why the DL link on your home page defaults to version .2 and not version .3 thanks
Same thing here: I can’t get to any of my old data. Cha-Ching just fails to load! What’s going on here?
Wow. Significant change indeed. My data also imported fine and I’m liking the new accounts feature. The budget feature doesn’t seem to make much sense to met yet (what’s the difference from a folder other than the look?) but other than that I have to say it’s an impressive update. It looks like an entirely different program.
Data integrity is fine with my account. For debugging purposes:
I only had a few drawers
I didn’t have a lot of data in Cha-Ching
I did have pictures affiliated with transactions
Thanks for the update!
Request: double clicking on a previously entered transaction should open up an edit dialog.
I’m pretty sure the problem is with pictures in transactions. Any time I try to take a picture w/ my iSight or attach a photo it crashes the program when I save it. I think the pictures shouldn’t be stored in the same XML file with everything else, but referenced like attachments are now (great work with the attachments by the way!).
If you can’t get it to open, I wouldn’t worry toooo much, your data is almost certainly still there, if they can resolve the problem w/ the photos in XML it should open fine. Worst case scenario that XML file can be hand edited to remove the data and you can start with having lost your photos but kept your transactions.
Just a note - command+n doesn’t seem to work for creating a new transaction anymore and there’s some funkyness with the border around the tag box in the transaction window (minor issue). Again, I think it’s a great update and a step further in the right direction.
Update… if you copy the link and paste it in a new window/tab and then change the .2 to read .3 you can dl the new version.
Also the budget doesn’t make sense if you can’t set a total amount for your budget such as I’m only going to spend 1K on this and then use that to track your expenses.
The other thing when creating smart drawers after you select the smart drawer and type in the name it should allow you to define the rules for the drawers instead of having to go back and open a new screen to edit them.
Finally if you have more drawers than the left most panel can hold and you scroll down the title of the various sub groups such as accounts gets distorted when scrolling and only fixes themselves after you click on the name again…
All in all I like this update even more than the last and I’m switching from Quicken to Cha-Ching full time.
Thanks for the update I can’t wait for more…
Edit: Also maybe a selection of release notes somewhere would be nice. say from the menu bar an option under help. Thanks…
This 0.3 version is quite the update indeed.
updating
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update went smoothly, i opened Cha-Ching and followed the updating process. All but one transaction (in incoming) had pictures before updating : I had no problems with my database, everything was well imported. I didn’t have any folders or smart folders and the number of my transactions was small (7.)
interface
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Speaking as a graphical designer :
The pastel blue color was soothing to the eyes, though I regret the candy green. It kept Cha-Ching in the playful-but-powerful philosophy hinted by the (amazing) icon. I hope in the future we will see different color schemes, selectable at the user’s discretion in the preferences pane.
The new 3 pane layout is slick and efficient. The transaction details pane is not resizable since it’s displaying all that is needed. I regret the loss of the aqua-ish reflection in the transactions page. Also, we can’t zoom in the transactions and marvel at the sweet details of our transaction pictures (think delicious library.)
I regret the straight horizontal 3 panes layout, it kept every new window nested. Now we have pop ups with animation effects that seem choppy. The new Input details window though is exhaustive, clean and clear. Again it would be great if different layouts was offered (way) later in the future.
vault icons : “sold” and IOU” tags are great, you know instantly what these folders are for.
I also crashed when launching isight , not taking a picture, and validating.
New transaction and new drawer are grayed out in the file menu.
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Features and conclusion
What’s great is Cha-ching managed to keep the simple/playful/powerful three word mantra and still ad immensely useful features. Multiple accounts and budget open dozen of possibilities, from managing accounts for family members to micro managing every liability and asset across multiple banks. Simple, but powerful. .mac sync is going to be a blessing for someone split between a workstation, a home desktop and a macbook.
I was afraid Cha-Ching would lost it a bit with adding more and more new features. But obviously, you guy sknow where the balance is.
Cha-Ching is the kind of app that makes you mutter “Ooh. That IS nice.”
If every update is of that caliber, I am sure glad I spent the 15 bucks for Cha-Ching.
Just tried to update to 0.3. Download and install seemed successful. Upon relaunch now windows appeared. None. So I log out/in, no window still when I launch the app and MenuMeters seems to be somehow disabled.
Tried ‘Show Main Window’ and was presented with a grey box the says Cha-Ching in the title bar, but that’s it.
Switching back to 0.2 doesn’t work as the database is no longer compatible. Thankfully I have a backup to switch back to which was rather painless. Replace App Support folder and App, done. Whew.
Reinstalling MenuMeters working fine as well. Really strange it was disabled though. And only partially. My CPU meter was still active, but if I went into the pref pane to turn on other meters I got an error. Removed the whole app, re-install and it works again.
Any help on getting 0.3 to work would be great
I’m on a PPC dual G5 - 10.4.8.
Hey, donovan - I had the same problem. Make sure your account is backed up (sounds like it is.) Now go to the folder user/Library/Application Support/Cha_Ching
Delete the ‘Cha_Ching’ folder. That did it for me. Hope this helps!
Same thing here, there must be something wrong with the XML.
jesselperry: doing this means deleting the database, but when you restore it, the problem returns.
^^^ Right. Deleting the Cha_Ching folder in App Support isn’t of much good if you want to keep what you’ve already loaded into your database.
Am I missing something?
I was able to update no problem with no database. I really hope I don’t have to enter all that stuff again!
Hello. I am finding that there are many bugs. I am having trouble in the “pending” area. Also, when you opt to password protect your “cha ching”, then you will have window size issues.
Hrm,
Deleting the App Support folder worked for me. After deleting that, Cha-Ching booted up fine.
The animation for locking/unlocking is slow on my Mac Pro with ATI X1900XT.. shouldn’t be ;)
Otherwise, no problems here so far. Awesome work.
jesselperry, did you lose your entries though? I don’t see how you could have NOT lost it since that’s pretty much the only thing in the App Support folder.
?
Another issue I ran into. When typing in a “To” field for a transaction it doesn’t autocomplete like the Transaction name does. I’d love to have this ability there.
Reconcilliation would rock too.
The whole app seems much slower and clunkier than before. I’m sure this will improve as the app is optimized though…
In the Account screen - why are we allowed to see only the last 3 incoming/outgoing transactions? Can we see more if the screen is resized?
Also on that note, resizing the window seems to cause severe screen tearing - similar to what is mentioned above when locking/unlocking the database.
I would like to have the names of the operations related with the images, so I don’t have to search for the same images again and again…
Yea. App resizing is slloooooowwwwwww
I love the functionality improvements, but I really miss my green! With the cooler pastel blue, it feels more subdued. I liked it when it looked fun and almost edible. I kind of miss the drawer icons as well. I just keep thinking that what made me buy it as opposed to any other finance program was the look that jumped out at me and said, “don’t I look fun?”
I’m with everybody else. Bring back the bright colour’s Green and bright blues this the 0.3 release looks a little doll, It feels a little less fun to use.
Honestly I am pretty dissapointed by this update. It makes me wish you would withhold any updates until 1.0 final. The huge difference in the app from .2 to .3 makes we glad I didnt buy the initial version. I really loved the old icons in the sidebar and think the new ones are way to “in your face” Especially the ugly paid and pending icons. I understand that changes happen visually along the process but usually they are for better and not for worse…
I really feel like visually and functionally the app is a big step backwards. Animation should never be used in a repetitive task. Forcing the user to wait for the animation to play before allowing the user to edit a transaction is a big mistake. The old way of inline editing was way better. Why should we have to go to a whole seperate “sheet” in order to edit data. Not to mention that there is no easy way to get to the edit sheet without clicking the “edit button” You should be able to either “command+E” or double click a transaction to get to the edit sheet.
I would love to talk to you about some elements of the design of the app. I think you could have a winner but with the changes from the last version and the lack of any import features this app still doesnt really do anything that other comparable apps are capable of.
I know that its supposedly “beta” but if you are charging money for it then beta is not an “excuse”.
I actually like this version. Color is great. The icons need a bit of an update but that’s my only “visual” issue. I’d like to see an option to turn animation on and off. That way those of us who don’t like it can forget about it, and those who do like it can leave it on.
That said. I like the new way we enter data. The old way was cumbersome, I didn’t like it. This way is great.
I’m quite happy with this update. Just wish there were a few more features.
Major bonus was the transfer ability. Which is totally sweet.
Other comments aside…
A few questions.
1. Will we be able to import and reconcile transaction via QIF files downloaded from our bank
2. Will we be able to budget based on category not transaction
3. Why are keywords “tokenized’ if they cant be dragged to apply them to other transactions. The ability to drag and drop keywords onto other transactions would rock.
Heres to hoping the next beta includes more functionality.
This update has seen some major hard work by both Juan and myself, and seeing how Juan has poured himself into this and worked all weekend long to smooth out the finishing touches I think he has done a great job. Of course there are visual issues, and of course there are bugs, but don’t be discouraged! We couldn’t find them all ourselves! That’s why you’re feedback is especially important. Regarding UI changes, I know everyone has different opinions on this, and just know that if we get consistent reports of certain things then we will try to implement that into the next build. We are really smoothing out the GUI at this point and trying to get it perfect. Some people love the new colors, some people dont. Some people love the new icons, some people don’t. The plan is for each release to add more functions (such as printing and import) and smooth the GUI to complete perfection.
So don’t worry, it’s still beta, and we have lots of ideas and functions we want to add, and we need your help!
emmm… ok, thats fine pixelmatrix, but how do I fix the grey windows issue? I can’t even see the design…
Same for me, I am still unable to load my old data and can barely see a grey window.
Great to see some activity :)
I have a feature suggestion for later, if possible:
I receive some money in US currency which remains in US currency, even though I’m in the UK. For example, payments received through Paypal in US dollars stay in US dollars. It would be nice to be able to specify currencies where they are different and even better if Cha-Ching could talk to a currency conversion tool to keep track of the value in the local currency of money held in other currencies.
Check the updates guys, this should fix all the database issues!
Thanks man! ;-)
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