Version 0.3.1 (Bug Fixes)

21 Nov 06

Alrighty. I had to release this one to fix a couple of bugs in the last version. Here is the list:

Features Added

Amount shown in add/edit Transaction panel is now formatted in your locale currency

Bugs Fixed

Fixed popup button having all values checked
Fixed issues with having blank windows at startup
Fixed crashing bug when taking photo with iSight

So fire up Cha-Ching to get the latest update. If there are any issues, comments, suggestions, stories about your cat, etc. Post in the comments. Trust me I do read all the comments. ;)

Posted in Updates by Juan Alvarez

167 Responses to “Version 0.3.1 (Bug Fixes)”

markuz November 21st, 2006 at 8:00 am

What the h… have license agreement changed? I thought I had 10 more evaluation days, and now it says I reached the maximum number of transactions allowed! How can evaluate this version if I can just purchase or quit!!!

No way dudes, this is another VERY bad move to do at this stage of the development… VERY bad.
Randy November 21st, 2006 at 10:57 am

Markuz: go to MacHeist.com and play along. My understanding is that you will get a free key for Cha-Ching. And relax, please, if you found a bug in the evaluation license code you need to report it. Report it: it’s a beta! I’m certain that the developers will help you get things sorted out.
markuz November 21st, 2006 at 12:06 pm

Well… maybe you’re right. I am sorry :)
MK November 21st, 2006 at 12:48 pm

I’m having trouble getting my registration info from MacHeist to validate. Is it just going to take some time for the registration database to update and recognize my name/email/reg code? Thanks for the license and I look forward to checking out the updated features!
marcus November 21st, 2006 at 1:05 pm

Autocomplete is broken… I can hardly enter transaction titles without it completing them with something else before I can finish typing what I intended. Is there a way to turn it off completely or slow it down or something?
indianboy November 21st, 2006 at 1:10 pm

First off I would like to say that I am loving the changes you guys have made to this beautiful app. I also have some comments, concerns and changes that I personally think might help better the app. I am making a list of them as I continue to use the new build.

I am posting this because I just had to express my satisfaction with the changes that have been made. It is a wonderful thing when updates make us (the customer) happy than irritate us so I just wanted to share my joy and appreciation for all the blood and sweat you guys have put into this app. Thank you and I will be posting some feedback soon. Take care guys and keep up the fabulous work.
bmeunier November 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pm

Good work on the version 0.3.1 (Bug Fixes)… and for all the work on the new 0.3 version. Keep on going!
dnm November 21st, 2006 at 2:54 pm

Why isn’t localisation in this version, I mean granted if your planning on including currency conversion stuff then it takes a bit of programming, but the simple option to spare me looking at $ signs for now would have been appreciated.

I almost missed the transaction edit feature simply because you didn’t launch the editor when you double click the transaction.
Entering transaction info with the keyboard is tedious and impossible because pressing return doesn’t save it, and I shouldn’t have to tab through the date before I get to the amounts.

The redraw on resize makes it feel like a windows app, not to mention its the slowest resizing app I have ever seen.

Make the folder icons look like osx, not a windows theme, follow the HIG for them.

colour code the up/down arrow for incoming/outgoing in the details pane

interface effects wont turn off
dnm November 21st, 2006 at 2:55 pm

just noticed that when you fade the window to white it messes up when you switch between apps and back
pixelmatrix November 21st, 2006 at 3:01 pm

We are definitely working on faster resizing and app switching/exposé issues. Thanks for your great feedback!
gcnovus November 21st, 2006 at 3:48 pm

some feature requests (some of which I already emailed to “support”):
*lock my vaults, so I don’t accidentally delete a whole account; alternatively, a “confirm” box, but nobody really likes those, do they?
*transfers, so I don’t have to create two transactions (an incoming and an outgoing) to represent paying off a credit card bill from my bank account
*new accounts should be able to have negative balance (for credit cards with existing balances, for example)
*should be able to store checking account information so I can print checks directly (not of major importance to me, but seems like a worthy feature)

some bugs:
*newly added smart drawers don’t show up in the vault list for about 45 seconds
*sometimes, on creating a new account, the new account has 0 balance even if I entered a positive balance. Deleting and re-adding the account fixes this.
dori November 21st, 2006 at 4:10 pm

You want issues and comments? I’ve got one: don’t send me spam.

The very first I heard about this app was the spam I received from you this morning. My opinion of you and your app is *not* favorable, and no, I won’t download it or buy it — because I don’t deal with spammers.

I don’t know where you got your mailing list from (MacHeist?), but you should be warned: it’s not as clean as it appears you’ve been told.
gordon bleu November 21st, 2006 at 4:34 pm

Trying out your product for second time. A few comments:

Backup to .Mac.. you guys work for Apple or something? How about a Backup to External hard drive too? :)

Icons need tooltips. I hadn’t the foggiest idea what the icons next to the +/- do under Transactions.

Budget feature seems to be missing ability to type in your budget amount ?

A re-occuring expense should automatically be set to previously used Budget.

Prefs is missing “Cancel” as are Attachment and Photo dialog boxes.

All, Paid, Pending, etc.. is it just me or do the mouse Hover states look..wrong? Too bold?

Confusion over “Initial Deposit” and “Starting Balance” (0?).

Transactions view: Inline editing is a must-have. Sometimes I just want to change the date quickly, for instance. This app is supposed to let me record my transactions as FAST as possible. Opening a new window just to edit does nothing but slow me down. I should even be able to double-click the Photo icon to change it.

Warn me when I try to delete a transaction (yes I know there’s an Undo, but I’m afraid I might delete something by accident and not notice.)

Bug: Adding new smart drawer via menu doesn’t show up.

Is that supposed to be a gold coin next to the total amount?

Needs keyboard shortcuts.

Website needs a forum!

That is all. Thanks!
markuz November 21st, 2006 at 5:38 pm

Got working license from MacHeist (I’ll probably for the app anyway, once it gets more mature). I agree with all the suggestions above (especially with the forum to better report bugs and feedbacks).

Keep up with the good work guys!
pixelmatrix November 21st, 2006 at 7:13 pm

I think a forum is a great idea too guys! Dori, don’t know how you got on the list either, but I do know that we DON’T get any addresses that weren’t voluntarily given through the newsletter signup.
boyscout November 21st, 2006 at 7:22 pm

Hi, just got your app through Macheist. it’s really great - if you need someone for a french localization, i can help.
charles November 21st, 2006 at 8:10 pm

I purchased your app last month. It’s still a little too green to really use on a daily basis, but I like it and I’m really looking forward to a final release.

I do prefer the original design to this one however. I’m not a big fan of the new icons. Keep up the good work though, pack in those features!
Matthew Arevalo November 21st, 2006 at 8:12 pm

boyscout: I’ve really been enjoying MacHeist as well.

charles: Any feedback regarding design are taken as just as important as functionality. Thanks for the heads up.
UnLogikal November 21st, 2006 at 8:40 pm

Specifying what type of transaction is a good idea.

Is it a check? I want a check number.
Is it a deposit? let me say so
Is it a wire transfer? Is it a transfer from accounts? Is it an ATM withdrawal? Is it a debit card purchase? All this is useful information.

Also. Smart Drawers. I want to be able to specify a date range (Within the past month?)… arbitrary dates… the last week, the last month, the last year. Etc.

I did like the Incoming/Outgoing being different colors. Red being outgoing, green meaning incoming. I do miss that part. It made it really easy to tell which was which.
speg November 21st, 2006 at 10:29 pm

Hmm… I REALLY liked the old theme.. but this isn’t bad. I do NOT like the animation. At least the old version had the option to turn it off. This one supposedly does, but the preference doesn’t seem to do anything.
jesselperry November 22nd, 2006 at 12:39 am

First off, nice work! This is turning into a great app.

A few things:
• Can you add bi-monthly to the list?

• Also, I noticed that it added a minus sign to all outgoing amounts when you edit a transaction. this is a little confusing, because I think I’m doing something wrong when delete the minus to change the amount

• When you create a transaction that is pending, belongs to an account, and is outgoing (for example, but this of course applies to every transaction) it creates the transaction in each part of the app. So, if I delete the transaction from the account it belonged to, it won’t erase from my ‘pending’ folder. While this could come in handy, it would make more sense if it deleted the transaction in every place it was located. Just an idea.

Other than that, great work! Keep it up!
dori November 22nd, 2006 at 4:18 am

pixelmatrix wrote, “Dori, don’t know how you got on the list either, but I do know that we DON’T get any addresses that weren’t voluntarily given through the newsletter signup.”

That simply is not true.

I never signed up for any newsletter. I never signed up for anything on this web site. I never downloaded your app. I NEVER GAVE YOU THAT EMAIL ADDRESS.

You’ve got at least one email address on your list (mine) that never asked to get information from you, and has no prior business relationship with you — and that’s the definition of spam. You should clean up your list before it seriously damages your rep. The Mac market is still small enough and this product is new enough that a bad rep can hurt for a long long time.

Try this: look at your list for someone named “dori,” and then figure out who gave/sold you that address. Chances are, all or most of the addresses from that source are NOT ones that you have permission to email.

If you want to be known as a spammer, well, that’s your choice to make. But I don’t have to like it or be quiet about it.
donovan November 22nd, 2006 at 10:24 am

Wow, talk about quick turnaround!

My broken 0.2 database seems to be 100% rectified with 0.3.1.

Thanks so much!
aishamo November 22nd, 2006 at 10:29 am

I just bought cha-ching last week after trying it out and loved it!But I am so upset I upgraded. I LOVED the way the app looked before. It was so easy to use and fun and pretty awesome for basic budgeting. But know my lime green program is gone for something that looks like a boring finder window. It was unique before. I can see how the lime green might throw people off but the boring gray just irks me. Once I play around with it maybe I’ll have better feedback but the moment the app opened I was just floored (not in a good way).
donovan November 22nd, 2006 at 10:37 am

Well, after mere moments of using the update, I’ve realized there’s some serious performance problems. A simple window resize leads to a giant white box on screen as it attempts to redraw.

I’m on a Dual 2.5 G5 with an X800 so I should be ok to handle graphic demands.

I kind of miss the old interface as well. And there’s no view options any longer.

In any event, we’re at 0.3.1. I’m excited to see what 1.0 is like!
aishamo November 22nd, 2006 at 10:59 am

Aside from the look (that really isn’t bad just soo different from before) the upgrades are awesome. I like the accounts feature. I do agree with gcnovus: “new accounts should be able to have negative balance (for credit cards with existing balances, for example).” That would be great.

Good job. I like the new features but if you could make it green that would be even awesome-er.
aishamo November 22nd, 2006 at 11:07 am

Oh also is it possible if in the future one transaction could be put in two accounts. I use my bank account to pay for my credit card and So I would like the transaction in both accounts but apparently its one or the other. Can it be like itunes were one song could be in different playlist? Just an idea.
pixelnet November 22nd, 2006 at 2:04 pm

So I just got done giving 0.3.1 a good run through adding a lot of transactions. I have to say I like what you have done so far. I still don’t like the new color scheme because it is very bland and the data doesn’t really “jump” off the page at you like it should. I found adding transactions to be simple and straightforward although auto complete it totally borked. When you start to type something a lot of times it auto completes incorrectly so you end up with duplicate text. For example: I have a transaction called “ATM Withdrawl” and auto complete ends up making it look like this “ATM ATM Withdrawl” Trying to correct it ends up just duplicating the same text over and over.

THe biggest problem though is that overall there is currently no way to “see where your money goes” Sure I can use smart folders to view groups of transactions but it is essential with any financial software to be able to look quickly and see where the bulk of your money goes.

Since this is my week off I did a little work on the “incoming and outgoing” headers.
Here is a screenshot…

http://pixelnetdesign.com/images/chching.png

Looking forward to updates…
appleboi November 22nd, 2006 at 3:20 pm

I was literally shocked when I saw the new interface and icons on the left.

I really love the earlier interface. It was lot more fun to use, minimal (in a positive sense) and user-friendly. The new one looks so much like business and some parts real ugly (like adding a new transaction - with all those big fonts and on-your-face highlighted stuff).

I am sorry guys, no offence, but I am going back to using 0.2 until I get back my old interface… :(

However, I understand that you should have put in a lot of effort into coming up with the new one, and appreciate it.

Cheers and hoping that you will want to revert back to the earlier UI and just improve it and fix bugs in that one.

merci!
pixelmatrix November 22nd, 2006 at 6:08 pm

Hey guys, listen…

I took over this project on thursday night (yes, last thursday) and it was really not in a good state. The previous designer had been missing for a while and we needed to get this app released. We really just had to try and get it at a point where we could release it with the new features. Now that I have some time to really redesign things, we will bring back a smoother and easier to use (less animation, all that stuff) interface. I am taking down ALL of your comments. We value everyone’s opinion on this and the app is going to head in a great direction now that we have released these new features. We will show a preview of what’s coming in the next few weeks and get feedback on what everyone thinks. I am glad to see so many comments here, it helps us improve it even more.

Thanks for your support!

-Josh Pyles
dtrain December 9th, 2006 at 5:54 pm

Are there any plans for a mobile version to complement the desktop app, a la Pocket Quicken?
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