Features and Look
22 Nov 06
There have been a few comments on the changes made to the look and feel of the application. Are there elements you like or dislike in the new interface that are related to how things interact or is it primarily color choices and ‘texture’?
What are some additional options you would like to be able to use and what are some items you would like the ability to toggle on and off?
Does the fading of the background app elements when working with a pane help with focus?
What type of feedback options would you like to see added to the blog/website:
1. Polls
2. FAQs
3. Forums
4. Some kind of robotic monkey that comes to your location to get your notes then sprouts wheels and drives to us
Thanks. Have a good holiday.
.The green color schemes had my preference. It would be great if Cha-Ching gave the choice between blue theme and green theme.
Also the old icons felt more mac-like.
.If someone wants the old cabinet and pending icons back, you can download them here http://www.mediafire.com/?ezqnodyzl1j and unzip them/replace in the cha-ching content folder (right click cha ching app, show contents)
I triend modding what I could to get back the green look but can’t seem to change the vault and transaction background to candy green. Sigh. I did change everything else though.
.as for the panes and the fading, i like it, but since i’m working on widescreens i prefer having 3 panes horizontally. again, if the choice was given to attach and detach panes…
.a forum and faq would be great.
oops. unzip the icons in the content/resources/ folder when you do right click “show package contents” on the cha ching app.
I prefereed the colors, the icons and the orientation of the three panes much better in the old version. I really don’t think that the interface or styling needed help or change. If we must, the dimming of the background when entering a transaction is fine, really neither here nor there for me. i like the interface, green and popping and I like the cartoony piggy bank. Hell, I pretty much tried the program because the link on Phil Ryu’s blog and the My Dream App website. It looked so tasty. I want the program to look like that icon.
My thoughts on the visuals of the app:
The new layout is much better. The color scheme is growing on me. I like everything except I feel that the selected items dont “pop” enough. The text seems to fade into the selection highlight.
The new icons are horrid with the exception of the budget and accounts icons. They look very mac like while the others do not. The folders are okay as well but I think they could be improved.
On to the actual interface elements themselves. The “incoming” and “outgoing” badges which are seen on the budget pane and the accounts overview pane are not well done at all. As a matter of fact it seems that the global light settings go borked in photoshop and appear to be set at 60 degrees instead of 90 degrees where they should be. In addition the colors dont match the rest of the interface at all. They do not look crisp, rather muddy instead. This goes for the small “round” buttons that are shown in the transaction detail as well. IMO these shouldnt be buttons at all. Making them buttons gives the impression that they can be clicked when in fact they can not. This is a no no.
Overall I like the new layout. I dont mind the fading so much when entering transactions. That being said if you add an “import” function which would automatically gather most transaction data (except tags) from your bank then you would really want to be able to drag and drop tags onto transactions from a “tag editor” either as a floater or at the bottom of the sidebar. A user customizable tag “pane’ would rock.
The rollovers need an extra state. they should have “normal” “hover” “pressed” and “selected” As is they go right from hover to selected which feels wrong.
I would match the sidebar bg to the light blue in mail and itunes… it just feels right that way.
I am sure there are other things I am forgetting to mention but I think these are my most glaring issues visually with the app. I would be happy to lend a hand in that department if you would like the help.
Thanks for the hard work.
-Brian
Oh I forgot to mention one more thing… I thought the previous way of coloring the interface panes based on the type of “folder” you were using was brilliant. While I love the new accounts view, I think you should still color folders based on the type of transaction, green for incoming, purple for smart etc… I loved that about the app and it really set things apart.
Just out of curiosity… why did you decided to replace the old icons? I really thought they were the most brilliant part of the app. Whoever did the original interface and icons for the app did a brilliant job.
The next version of the GUI will be more similar to the .2 build (but better of course)
I wouldn’t recommend continuing to make drastic changes to the UI. You need to find something that works and stick to your guns. You risk loosing users if you keep changing things on them with each version. This is the exact reason why most software companies dont “take things public” right from the start. I really hope that you choose to continue in the direction you are going and only refine the elements that need refined.
Josh hit me up on IM if you want to chat.
I personally feel that the GUI in version 0.3 is real step back from 0.2 visually, the icons in 0.2 were beautiful the drawer icons were different and pleasant on the eyes. I say bring them back. The new icons seem harsh on the eye they have strong contrast causing them to not blend in to the interface.
As for the GUI its a little boring, before it was something new and exciting. When I first opened 0.2 I was amazed by the bright colours and attention to detail, it was like no mac app I had seen before. Now it’s, well I can’t think of another way to say it, it’s nothing special it reminds me of other apps and more importantly it seems to have removed a little of the fun.
I would love to see the old interface back in action but thats just me you can’t please everyone. For now I have replaced all the icons with the old ones, folders are now back to the simply beautiful draws. Well looking forward to seeing how this app changes it the future good luck.
I can’t say I like any of the icons in .3. They just aren’t flashy enough for the rest of the application. The Account icon doesn’t really tell me it’s an account. It needs to be made a bit more clear. I’m on a 23″ ACD so things do get kind of small sometimes, and making things more distinct is a bonus.
The color scheme needs to go back to red and green. Green for incoming, Red for outgoing…
As far as turning things off.
I’d like to turn all the flashy animations off. Especially if they are going to continue being slow. If they are fast and don’t detract from the application I’d likely leave them on. But in this current form, they just get in the way, thus I’d rather turn them off.
Here’s my list of feature requests:
1. Reconcilliation
2. Import from my bank (either directly or via the downloadable statements)
3. Check numbers
4. Transaction types (Withdrawal, ATM, Credit, Debit, Deposit, Interest, etc)
5. Smart Drawers need to be able to be more generic about the date. I’d like to be able to specify the past week, month, x number of months, or the last year.
6. Graphs and charts. I’d like to be able to create graphs of my spending, color coded by tag. Smart Graphs so to speak.
7. Custom “overview” … I’d like to see more than 3 past or future transactions
8. Grouping of accounts. I have a checking and savings at two banks. I’d like to group them together. Currently I have had to name them “Bank1 Savings” and “Bank2 Savings” to keep them separate.
9. Like the (Edit) button in the smart folders, I’d like the accounts to have a balance of what’s in the account. If my balance is $1000, tell me so without having to click the account. Maybe more info on mouse over.
10. Tooltips for icons. If I hover over a button, I’d like to know what it does without having to click it ;) I’m sure this was just a simple oversight.
11. Double Clicking a transaction let’s me edit it or double clicking a particular item let’s me edit inline. Less clicks the better.
12. The ability to hide the photo in the table view… I don’t have photos assigned to any of my transactions. Not to say I won’t, but when none of them use it… I’d like to be able to remove that column.
13. Steal something from Newsfire RSS… When I click the + icon for a new account or smart folder, etc. If I am holding down CONTROL take me to the budget toolbar item, if I’m holding Option, take me to the Folder toolbar item, if I’m holding Command take me to the Smart Folder toolbar item. Etc. Makes it easier and fewer clicks.
Budgets don’t make much sense to me. I can apply certain transactions to a budget, that’s cool. But it seems like it’s half-baked… needs more features.
A “home” page. This home page gives me a list of upcoming bills, their amounts, and how much I have to pay. My last x number of deposits. etc. Give me a full overview of all important things when I start the application up.
When creating a smart folder, I’d like to be able to actually define the rules without having to click “Edit” after it’s created. That said, keywords should be “tags” or rename the “tags” thing in each transaction to keywords. One or the other not both.
Some of this is a rehash of my previous suggestions but I’m bringing them all into one big one. I’ve probably missed some but I’ll be sure to mention them some other time if they were really important.
The new layout and colors work for me, but I also wouldn’t mind have green as a color scheme.
The one gripe that I have with the new update is the default view when the app is launched. Defaulting to ‘Paid’ means that the balance in checking and savings are combined and I have to click ‘Checking’ to see what my actual balance is.
This isn’t a big deal, but it would be nice to have a preference setting to change the default view.
I’ve to agree with the comments of many people here. I definitely loved the look of the 0.2 version (icons, textures, colors,…)and I’ve to say that I don’t like the new icons at all.
And, as it’s said in a previous reply, I really like the colour distinction between sections (green, purple, orange).
On the other hand, I like improvements as the account and budget vaults. So, it’s fifty-fifty for me.
By the way… I miss the little calendar.
Ohhh.. the calendar was very nice. I keep having to hit dashboard up for the date i am looking for.
just a note : adding transaction types would be redundant, especially with tags and smart drawers.
Juan Alvarez is right on the money by keeping close to the getting real philosophy from 37 signals. Simple tools empowering the user, not a mulitplication of features catering to the whims of every user and massaging their feet. Let the user figure out how he wants to work.
I think this is a good point. I would like a field to add a check number though. Just wanted to mention that after using the app for sometime I really love the fading (it does help me focus) and I love the transaction editor. I think it is brilliantly done and allows me to quickly tab through and enter data.
Well done.
Loved v0.2 and the look. It’s what drew me to the application. And the simplicity.
I like the new features of accounts and budget and etc. I would like to be able to start at a negative balance for the accounts (for credit cards and such).
I don’t know how I feel about downloading bank information. I used quicken a couple of times and couldn’t figure out how to download bank info very well. It was confusing. I like the simplicity of this program. I am afraid of it getting to complicated.
And as I said in another post somewhere in this blog, you should be able to put the same transaction in different places (like a song and multiple playlist). The paid library isn’t accurate if you create 2 transactions of the same thing just to put them in different places.
I also like the idea of having color choices for the app for people who don’t like the lime green (even tho the lime green is awesome).
Good job BTW. Its a great app!
There are several WordPress polling plugins. I’d prefer them. I also liked the three panes. Because I have a macbook pro and the display is wider, it fits quite well in that layout. However, the new popup isn’t a huge deal. For me the performance is a bit slow with some of the transitions (and, yes, I have 2 Gigs of RAM). The new popup seems a bit faster than the old third pane being re-rendered, but that could be some improvements to backend code.
And I did like the old icons a smidge better, but nothing enough to make me dislike the new ones.
Here is a better thought out explanation of my previous post, #10:
The way transaction are accounted for gets a little confusing.
In ver 0.2 I basically had one account. Pending items weren’t taken into account until they were Paid, but they were tallied for me (example; future paycheck - bills = available on Friday). Pay as necessary. Simple enough.
In ver 0.3, Pending items aren’t accounted for in the Paid (of course), but they are accounted for in the checking account. The Paid section shows items paid to both the checking and savings, and the checking account shows items that haven’t even been paid yet. Now I don’t have an accurate balance of ‘available’ funds anywhere.
My suggestion is to leave Pending items out of the accounts until I click Paid. Doing so allows me to know what is available in my account right now and what I can expect to have available once I get my paycheck and pay my bills (see example above).
Oh, I miss the calendar, too.
I’d like to have a RSS feed for this blog.
By the way, it is neither XHTML nor CSS valid… are you sure you want to show such (unfortunately false) claim?
it looks as if most of the reasons it doesnt validate are due to the paypal button.
I would like to see Forums added to the Cha-Ching Website.
First let me say how optimistic I am about this app’s future. It’s so great to see someone bring new ideas to the very stale financial manager application. There’s a lot to love here. I never saw the version 0.2 interface, so I can’t comment there, but I really like 0.3. Beautiful, clean, simple, and very intuitive.
I’m not a huge fan of the “focus” effect when working with a transaction. While I appreciate it stylistically :-), it’s not very efficient. In fact, I’d like to see the transaction window disappear altogether, replaced by a right side pane with all transacation information. The top 1/3 of the pane would include all of the transacation details. The middle third would be linked files. The bottom third would be a picture. Think iCal. No need to drill through multiple screens to work with transacation elements. They’d all be in one place and easily viewed.
I’d also encourage the developer to check out Yep (www.ironicsoftware.com). Those guys have implemented tags very effectively. Their UI is a model of simplicity, yet is powerful and very functional.
A few other thoughts:
How about a tags palette for dragging and dropping tags onto transacations? I’d also like to see import rules that would automatically assign tags to certain transacations.
A tag browser is mandatory. Again, check out Yep. If you’re going to allow users to tag transacations, you must also give them a way to use those tags. I want to be able to drill through my tagged transacations much like I can drill through my tagged Yep documents.
Importing data is key. You must support QIF at the very least. I’m not sure I’d waste a lot of time on online banking support. Downloading/importing a QIF is very easy and every bank offers this feature. Not as seamless as automatically downloading to one’s account, but this can wait for version 2, in my mind.
A simple and flexible report editor is essential. All of the canned reports (Net Worth, Cashflow, etc.) should be available, but the user must be able to create his or her own reports with minimal effort. This will really distinguish Cha-Ching from other apps.
Contextual menus!!!
I’m sure I’ll have more to add later. Thanks for listening!
After some more use I have found another item I would like to see added. In both “pending” and in any account views there should be another column for “current balance” While the little coin counter at the bottom works great for showing you an overview it does nothing to allow you to see the balance on a given date. So if the user has pending transactions for both incoming and outgoing, and the incoming is say a week after the outgoing they need to be able to know if they are going to run out of money before that next paycheck comes in. In the current model it appears they will have enough money because the coin counter shows all transactions regardless of date. Showing the current account balance next to every account would fix this.
- The autocomplete as stated above is a “must fix”.
- The new layout is better, but the colors are dull.
- add keyboard shortcuts! It feels awful that you can’t add a new transaction with apple+n and so on.
Great app, guys, just polishing needed.
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